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Lance - Those in support of SPLOST are quick to say everything will fall apart without it. But the commission's ability to slash from the original amount by millions. That proves it's not a SPLOST, that's a slush fund. Is this level of spending appropriate when 10 percent of Cobb residents are unemployed. Wouldn't a tax cut be a better idea?
Rose - A vote for SPLOST is a vote for your future. The commissioners are doing the best with what they have to work with. We have to do our part.
8:14 Closing Remarks
Lance - If this is the conservative way to go, then I'm a liberal. Find out what the needs are first and then see how much it's going to cost. Don't have an amount and say we've got four years to spend it.
Rose - Everybody participates in SPLOST. It's a pay-as-you-go. You know exactly what you are paying for. There is a time period in which it ends. I don't see a more conservative method to fund projects.
Question -In the down economy...are there alternate funding sources instead of SPLOST?
Rose - There were 23 meetings about the projects. The projects in the SPLOST are what people said they wanted. You may not agree with all of it, but you don't throw it out because you don't believe in all of it.
Lance - Obviously there are some needs in this. But there are many more wants. It's just not a good use of your money. County shouldn't be competing with the private sector as far as recreation is concerned.
Question - Comment on needs vs wants.
Lance -We didn't have the SPLOST before 2005. Our Triple A bond rating was strong. The picture they are painting is just trying to scare you. If you expand facilities you have to expand for the upkeep.
Rose - The county will incur debt. Our facilities will deteriorate. It will affect your property values. Roads are depending on SPLOST passing.
Question - What do you believe will happen if the SPLOST vote fails.
Lance - We are in a SPLOST now. There has been a lot of money out there for a while. Saying if you don't pass the SPLOSt you are endangering lives is a stretch. We need to do a better job with what we have now.
Rose - SPLOST is going toward capital improvements. Some of it is for new construction. These are vital to the county to continue to attract people and business.
Question -Will SPLOST dollars be used for maintaining or for new improvements.
Lance - $2,400 a family for the four years..
Rose - A Penny on every dollar. I'd be willing to pay that to save a child's life.
Question - What is the estimated cost to each resident if SPLOST passes?
Rose - It was a study conducted by Auburn University. I think the number is actually higher.
Lance - How can you possibly know that.
Question - Where does the figure come from that 30 percent of the sales tax money comes from those outside Cobb?
Lance - I think it is a misconception that if we don't pass a SPLOSt then we will lose our Triple A bond rating. Not so. It's not gonna happen. There have been times when there was no SPLOST.
Rose - These bond rating companies look at how you are maintaining your facilities. If we don't pass this there will be deteriation in our facilities.
Question - How does Cobb County's bond rating affected by SPLOST?
Rose - SPLOST brings jobs to Cobb County. Companies look at affordable living. They look at the best services for the lowest price.
Lance - You are taking jobs away from the private sector. You cut taxes to stimulate the economy.
7:30 Question: How do you believe that SPLOST affects jobs in Cobb County?
Lance - I don't believe that the milage rate will go up if the SPLOST doesn't pass. There are three commissioners up for election soon. Many counties have a SPLOST and their property taxes have gone up.
Rose - SPLOST has caused your property taxes to go down. SPLOST is the way to keep them down. You know exactly what your money is going to be spent on.
Question: Why do we always seem to have a SPLOST? What conditions would there be where there would be no SPLOST?
7:19 Lance - If you have a special election you have a lower turnout. They knew six years ago that the current SPLOST was going to expire in 2012.
7:15 Rose - there was a change in leadership going on.
7:14 Question, Why wasn't issue put on ballot last November?
7:13 Cheers from the crowd at "Ax the Tax"
7:10 Tax Payers Assoc....How do we go about meeting our needs without the SPLOST. Opposite side has tried to paint a gloomy picture if we don't pass it. Is the county doing everything it can to cut costs? There is no better time than now to cut taxes. This SPLOSt is full of wants that aren't necessary. Is replacing concession stands that work just fine the way they are, a want or a need? Is building a new skate park at Logan Farm a want or a need?
7:04 Citizens for Cobbs Future....Splost is a necessity for the future of the Cobb. What brings people here are the wonderful parks and good roads. SPLOST is the best way to fund roads, parks and public safety. Most conservative way to fund these amenties because it is a pay-as-you-go way. You know exactly what projects you are voting for. Best way to pay for your services. People outside of Cobb will be paying for it too. If you don't vote for the SPLOST you will incur debt.
7 pm Moderator is introducing representatives from both sides.
6:59 All 128 seats are full. And here we go.......
6:54 Commission Chairman Tim Lee is here.
6:48 A representative from both sides will be answering questions. Rose Wing of Citizens for Cobb’s Future, supports the SPLOST extension. Lance Lamberton, president of the Cobb County Taxpayers Association, will give the opposing view.
6:40 The format will be as follows...both sides will get a chance to make some opening remarks. After that the moderator will take written questions from the audience. Both sides will then get a chance to respond.
6:36 Lots of red and white "Ax the tax" signs.
6:31 The room is filling up fast.
PATCH is here live at the Cobb County government building for tonight’s SPLOST 2011 forum.
If approved by voters March 15, the special four-year tax would begin Jan. 1, 2012, just as the current collection period ends. The new tax would potentially generate $492 million for parks, recreation and transportation maintenance projects.
Arguments for passage of the SPLOST will be presented by Rose Wing of Citizens for Cobb’s Future, which supports the extension. Lance Lamberton, president of the Cobb County Taxpayers Association, will give the opposing view.
The forum, sponsored by the League of Women Voters of Marietta-Cobb, begins at 7 p.m.
This brings me back to my first comments...WHY? Why are they at their lowest??? Are the banks NOT paying the taxes on the homes they have foreclosed on....my property taxes haven't gone down, my daughters didn't either and she bought their home below market...none of my friends are boasting about lowered property taxes either. There is something just not right here. I can see the wisdom in SPLOST if.....at this point, it only covers the needs of the county. Still no comment on why we always spend so much tax money on the "Special Election" for SPLOST when it should fit in a normal election. Can you enlighten me just a little on my concerns?
I don't buy your property tax argument either! Sure maybe an increase in property taxes would cost some commissioners there jobs BUT with no SPLOST the "other guy" might talk about lowering them, but don't bet on it happening. I don't think struggling families want to see mortgage payments go UP while they're not bringing as much in...$300 spread out over a year is less than $1 a day...you're sticking it to ROADS, PARKS, SENIOR CENTERS and PUBLIC FACILITIES for less than ONE DOLLAR a day...really? You've got to be kidding right???
Why do we STILL have unfinished SPLOST projects from 2005? Why are some of the CURRENT PROJECTS declared as WONT BE FINISHED? Stop letting kleptocrats masquerade as philanthropists! (quote from a Libertarian candidate for office)
It is *not* the penny on the dollar I resent - the financing, to me, is great! I agree with pro-SPLOSTers on that model. My problem arrives when I am forced to stand in the middle of a road and direct traffic around a scene, and work to back each car out because my neighbor is dying from his injuries because SPLOST projects that have divided our roads did NOT INCLUDE SAFETY MEASURES like road shoulders. I have helped to save lives as a first responder to four accidents where injuries may have been aggravated by EMS delays as a result of SPLOST construction of road dividers. The victims waited about 5 minutes longer - enough time for a brain to swell from bleeding and enough time to create fatalities. Austell Road is *illegal* in some areas because of SPLOST. These divided roads are supposed to have safety shoulders so that traffic can pull to the side to allow EMS access. A SPLOST project that was designed / decided upon 7 years before I moved in sealed off direct access to my house, so that my property values plummeted, my easement access rights purchased with the property are violated each day, I am given ZERO compensation, Our businesses are dying from access restrictions. I was not notified of the Windy Hill - MacLand Connector, and commissioners swore "affected residents were notified." Bull. I wasn't notified, nor compensated for my loss of quiet enjoyment & access rights violations.
@ Pam, the way gas keeps going up I'd stick to the stores closest to home and I doubt during anyone's busy life they are going to choose to go out of their way to shop to save a penny on the dollar! I think you'd be much better off saving the gas and please don't count of property taxes remaining low or homestead exemptions returning. My mother will be supporting SPLOTS because she supports her grandkids growing up in a great community BUT she said most of the complain is coming from older people who already have VERY low property taxes...DO NOT LET PEOPLE WHO ALREADY KNOW THAT EITHER NOW OR VERY SOON THEY WONT CARE WHAT OUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEIRS WILL BE LOW!!! Don't believe the hype, be sure the people your taking advice from will be paying the same property tax rate as you...same skin in the game.
So what you're saying is we have high unemployment in Cobb (mostly in construction) BUT you want to end the very construction projects that would put residents to work because it MIGHT cost you a dollar a day?? Hmmm I'm not really following that argument; I guess if we put all the construction companies, sidewalk makes and brick layers our of business our unemployment rate would go down??? You don't care about unemployment or Cobb County, you'd let the good of YOU out weight the good of the MANY...so sad!!
Wow!! Take a breath or two. WE ALL HAVE A STAKE IN COBB COUNTY...OLD, YOUNG, ARROGANT OR STUPID. Not just your mother. SPLOST is being asked to be a better steward of OUR money. No more "special elections" costing us $400,000.00 when it can be properly voted on in a general election. No more "New" items, at this time. It would be nice to complete what they have started or show cause why.....projects left unfinished are wasting money. You may not mind if half the projects are completed or not, but I do. If SPLOST fails it isn't because of people like me or my aging MOM. It's because the commissioners won't be realistic in these hard times. We all have to reign in our "wants", times are tough and we are tired of being taxed for things we can do without for a while. This isn't a hard concept.
I just think it's a pipe dream to think property taxes will not go up, and in regards to the comment about Mom's taxes they are very low (because she is a Senior) so other than the benefits to her Grandkids she wouldn't care one way or the other if property taxes go up. She does use the Senior Center and takes water aerobics at the Aquatic Center too, and she did say most of the complaints she's heard are from older citizens whose property taxes (just like hers) would not rise much if SPLOST didn't pass. It's families like mine, that still have YEARS & YEARS to go, that would be hurt the most.
The illegal or out of state workers or aliens from Mars will still stay here, shop here and pay the 6% sales tax. This will bring money to business and support all those projects you don't agree with but I do :) Ok I don't agree with all of them of course because that isn't ever going to happen under any plan. We just have to remember that just because a project doesn't directly effect you doesn't mean it isn't helpful to someone else. There are projects all overt the county that I'll never even see, but hopefully they help other folks. PS...my kids are in bed, after homework and dinner, but I appreciate your concern
Nothing like giving the green light to our politicians by okaying their high handed way of passing a new tax...there is a right and a wrong way to do this. What morals are you teaching your kids?...or what are they learning from you on honesty if this is okay by your standards. The end justifies the means? Most of us are very tired of the politicians still trying to spend our money like we still got it.
This election has been heavily promoted by both sides and anyone even mildly interested cant turn out either on the 15th or I believe early voting is already underway.